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Are vaccinations safe? An interview With Dr. Isaac Jones – an expert in the field
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Yuri: Hey, guys, what’s up? Yuri Elkaim here. Welcome to another edition of the Super Nutrition Academy Health Class. This is going to be a very special episode and a controversial one, so I need to forewarn you that what we’re about to discuss is, by no means, medical advice, but it is based on much experience and some insider information, if you want to think about it.
I have my good friend and renowned expert in lifestyle design, Dr. Isaac Jones. Before I bring him on to the call, I just want to briefly let you know who he is. I’ve known Isaac for about two, two and a half years now, and he studied at Life University in Atlanta. He is an expert in cellular detoxification, bionutrition, and neurotoxicity, and all that stuff that a lot of other doctors and a lot of other health experts really don’t talk about.
His work has been so profound that he has actually worked with the Royal Family in Saudi Arabia in restructuring their health care program. He’s pretty well-versed in this area, and he’s just such an awesome guy. I’m really happy to have him on the call with me.
The reason I brought him in today is because he has had a lot of experience and some interesting run-ins with respect to vaccinations, and that’s going to be the topic of today’s episode because even though it’s not something that is pressing, there’s no kind of new headline in the news as of right now with respect to vaccinations, but it’s an ongoing debate that people have with respect to should they vaccinate, should they not, should they get the flu shots for their kids, all that kind of stuff.
We’ll hopefully give you some interesting perspective during this call, and with that said, welcome, Isaac.
Isaac: Thank you so much. It’s a pleasure to be on this show, Yuri, and I really appreciate the intro. I think this is a really very important topic, and a lot of misinformation is out there, a lot of confusion is around this topic, so hopefully we can bring some more clarity.
And I’ll just preframe this call by saying I took a nonbiased approach toward learning the information that I did. I didn’t side one way or another, but as a doctor, I was exposed to certain things, and I know as a parent or individual, you’ll also be exposed to certain things that will help you make a more informed decision, and that’s what it’s all about: making the most informed decision as you can so that you can keep you, your family, and your friends as safe as possible.
Without any further ado, the whole kind of conversation around the vaccination debate has been a very violent debate because there are obviously a lot of mothers that have had children that, after vaccination, have developed autism and have linked the autism or the neurological, what they call neural development disorders, whether they’re on the autistic spectrum or they just developed ADHD or dyslexia or something along those lines after a shot, they typically correlate it back to their vaccination.
So, there’s this uprising in a lot of the mom groups across America, the United Kingdom, Australia, as well as Canada. I think the moms of these countries have really created a voice that has created a very big impact in the way that we are questioning the efficacy and the safety of vaccinations.
Yuri: Kind of starting off, why, just from a physiological, so people have a better understanding, why have people been led to believe that we need to vaccinate as opposed to allowing our own immune system to build up a natural defense?
Isaac: Yeah, well, I think it’s because they think that vaccinations will create a healthier child, and that’s the real question is: Do vaccinations create healthier children than nonvaccinated children? It’s really interesting.
Actually, there’s a really important study that came out last year by Dr. Gary Goldman and Neil Z. Miller. What’s interesting is, they found a correlation between vaccinations and infant deaths.
In this peer-reviewed journal article that came out in Human and Experimental Toxicology, what they found is that nations that were part of the most vaccinations for their babies tend to have higher or worse infant mortality rates around immunizations than countries that don’t require that for their children. This study found biologically plausible explanations for this due to the toxicology of the vaccination.
But getting back to your question, why is it that people think that we need to be getting a vaccine, it’s based off of the germ theory that says that the germs, the viruses, the bacteria in the world will take down your child and will cause them to develop a disease or disorder. It’s very much so fear-based, and it’s based off of what the medical model believes is valid research for you to want to keep your child safe by inoculating. Inoculation just means to vaccinate.
The whole theory behind a vaccination is that I give you a little bit of the virus that is currently in society—whether it’s the mumps, measles, rubella—and those viruses, those fragments of viruses that go into your body through the vaccination will trigger an immune response that will essentially enable your body to immunologically be ready if you are exposed to, if your child is exposed to any of these viruses or bacterial infections in the future. Typically, they’re viral, though.
Yuri: Yeah. I mean, full disclosure for everyone listening. Amy and I, obviously, when we had our first son Oscar, we were at a point where you’re not really sure what to do.
Your baby comes into the world, and unless you’re prepared ahead of time, obviously, the medical doctors are really pushing this stuff on you pretty hard, so we actually gave him, I think he was up to six months with booster shots and stuff, and then we decided after that point that we’re done. After we’d done the research and really investigated the benefits versus the possible consequences of doing it, so we decided to no longer vaccinate him.
And with Luca, who’s our youngest, who’s now six and a half months, we haven’t vaccinated him at all. What’s frustrating, I think, for a lot of people is that you have two completely polar opposite sides of the spectrum, where you have the medical doctors saying, “You must vaccinate your kids or you’re not going to be contributing to herd immunity,” which is the concept of everyone gets immunized so that no one gets sick. And then you have alternative practitioners like naturopathic doctors or people like Isaac, who are saying that you don’t really need to do that.
So, for the average person, it becomes very, very confusing. I don’t know if we’re necessarily going to clarify all that confusion in this interview, but I hope that we can get some really interesting insight into this.
To make matters even worse or more confusing, Isaac made reference to a really interesting study that showed some interesting correlations between autism and vaccinations and early death and stuff, but then you also look at, there’s a review of the literature that was done in the Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences back in 2006, and they found that there were no significant associations between vaccinations and autism and that the vaccine preservative thimerosal, which has been a topic of debate for a while, which has been hypothesized to be part of the problem, had no possible cause in autism.
So, when you see this stuff, you’re like, “All right, well, now what do I believe?” You have some really interesting stories from some of the people you’ve encountered at the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Can you talk about some of that stuff, ’cause I think it’d be really interesting to hear about?
Isaac: Yeah. There’re a few stories that I can’t get into detail about just due to the sensitivity of the nature around their job at the CDC, but I will, without using their names or anything along those lines, will give you the gist of the story. The first experience that I had, ’cause I did my doctorate in Atlanta, Georgia, and while I was going through the doctorate program, one of my friends, who was in charge of doing these kinds of events at his residence in Buckhead, was supposed to do this wine-and-cheese event.
So, Buckhead is really kind of close to the Centers of Disease Control, so a lot of people that work at the CDC also live in a lot of these high rises in the Buckhead area. I’m there, I join him for this wine-and-cheese event, which is just kind of a social for people to get to know each other in the building, and this guy walks in the room who is this relatively short, really sick bottle cap glasses, kind of looking guy; definitely looks like an intellect.
He walks into the room and I befriend him and my friend befriends him and we find out that he works at the CDC, so we say, “Oh, what division? What do you actually do at the CDC?” And he says, “Oh, I actually head up the department that actually decides what kinds of flu viruses that we put in to the next year’s flu vaccines.” He’s like, “I’m one of the lead immunologists at the Centers of Disease Control, and I run that whole department. We’ve got analytics on viruses that are coming out and what the best virus is to put in the next year’s flu vaccines.”
So, he runs this team at the CDC, and I thought it was just really profound and interesting, so I’m just asking him questions about vaccinations, and he’s answering to the best of his ability. It was interesting because I had just taken immunology in my doctorate program, so I was very familiar with a lot of the terminology that he was using.
It got to a point in the conversation where I asked a very personal and, I think, profound question. I asked him, I said, “Just out of curiosity, do you get your children vaccinated with the flu vaccine?” And do you know what his response was?
Yuri: He probably said no.
Isaac: He said no. I was so taken back, ’cause it seemed like the conversation was very provaccine up until this point. I said, “Oh wow, why is this?”
He goes, “Well, if you know anything about the T1 versus T2 immune system, these are two different kind of responses of immunity. A T1 immune response is what they call a long-term immune response that is created through the exposure of viruses or bacteria through your mucosal membranes—your ears, your eyes, your mouth, or your skin.”
So, it basically comes through a certain, the virus or bacteria is exposed to your immune system through a way that creates long-term immunity. When you’re exposed through this T1 kind of exposure, it does create a very powerful response for prevention if you are ever exposed to these in the future, but a T2 immune response is what they call an emergency response or essentially a very reactive response. That’s what happens when your body’s immune system is exposed to a virus or bacteria directly through the blood.
When a vaccine is administered, that creates a T2 immune response. There were correlative studies, especially in the veterinarian industry in a lot of the animals—they unfortunately haven’t done this within humans—but that correlate the vaccination, the increase in T2 emergency immune response to autoimmune diseases later on in these animals’ lives. Again, unfortunately, they haven’t tracked this in humans, but there has been a massive increase in autoimmune diseases, if anybody’s watching the statistics, within humans over the last several years.
When I heard that I was just taken back, and I asked him, I said, “So, you’re telling me you’re not vaccinating your children with the flu vaccine.” I asked him, “So, could you explain to me why that is?”
He goes, “You know, it’s really kind of detailed immunology. It has to do with this T1 and T2 immune response, and I just don’t want my kids to be exposed to certain negative effects to overstimulating their T2 immune system.” And he just went on and talked about some of the side effects and the negatives of getting vaccinated.
It really kind of took me back a bit, and I’m like, if this guy, who works at the CDC and is doing all the research, isn’t vaccinating his kids, I think that’s enough for me, even if I didn’t know anything else, for me to say, “You know what? I don’t know if I should be vaccinating my kids either.”
Yuri: Yeah, honestly. So, obviously, there are a lot of different types of immunizations that people can get. The flu shot is probably the most debated one, but what about things like polio, measles, rubella, stuff like that?
I remember seeing a TED Talk on—which was actually really good and very convincing as well—talking about how, the doctor who was speaking, his mission is to have everyone in the world vaccinated against polio because a lot of the third-world countries, especially in Asia, kind of India area, were still afflicted by this disease, so they were going up to these remote areas and vaccinating kids and stuff, and his goal is to wipe out polio.
Is there benefit to looking at a vaccination for things like that as opposed to—I mean, let’s put the flu shot aside for a second. Can the body mount a defense against things like polio, measles, or others without requiring a vaccination?
Isaac: Yeah, well, let’s just take the polio example just as an example. Polio’s a contagious disease. It’s essentially caused by an intestinal virus that can attack nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord.
So, essentially, symptoms that develop after somebody gets exposed to this virus is fever, headaches, sore throat, and vomiting, but there’re also some major neurological complications that can take place, like stiff neck and back, weak muscles, pain in joints, and then even paralysis, which is obviously why people are like, “I need to get this vaccination ’cause my child, they could be paralyzed because of this virus.”
It’s nothing to mess around with; however, there’s a lot of research around why you essentially shouldn’t be getting a polio vaccine. If you look at the actual graph, when you look at a medical textbook, you see clearly when the polio vaccine is administered, there’s a massive drop in the polio incidences within the United States of America, so you’re like, “Wow, this is obviously a very powerful vaccine. Everyone should be using this vaccine.”
However, if you actually look at the polio death rates essentially before the vaccine was administered, because these medical textbooks take a snippet and just show you, upon administration, the decreased stat of polio years afterward, and that’s one of the biggest reasons why they say you have got to get a polio vaccine. But if you actually look at international mortality statistics that were created in 1981, you can actually see the decreasing percentage of polio death rates were literally on an almost ninety-degree, probably more like an eighty-degree, decline before the vaccine was even introduced.
So, essentially, you have around an eighty percent reduction in polio incidences just due to natural human adaptation, strengthening of immune systems. You know, when we’re exposed to certain viruses, our children can also have this immune memory from our parents that will essentially be used to be able to prevent various other virus or bacterial issues in the future.
So, if you literally look at this graph, you can just Google—I would recommend this—Google International Mortality Statistic by Michael Alderson, and you can see for polio death rates and you can see this graph yourself. You see it just plummeting and just dropping, and then you see when the actual vaccines were administered down near the bottom of the graph. That’s the graph that they use to justify why people need to be taking the polio vaccine.
And the thing is, there’s actually risk to taking the polio vaccine. For instance, in New Hampshire, the stake was increased as far as dramatic kind of negative immune responses and symptoms from taking the vaccine. That’s up over six hundred and forty-two percent increase of immunological issues and symptoms from taking the vaccine than what they had before.
A lot of the research that I quote when I look at vaccine research is actually through a book that I recommend everyone listening purchase if they care about actually getting a nonbiased view of what’s going on with vaccines. If you want to study and look into any sort of vaccine, whether it’s an MMR shot or anything, I highly, highly recommend getting this manual. It’s called Vaccine Safety Manual, and the subtitle is For Concerned Families and Health Practitioners.
It’s foreworded by Russell Blaylock, who’s a medical doctor and Ph.D. in, essentially, neuroscience. He studies how these chemicals within the vaccines and also various other chemicals that people are consuming, like aspartame and Splenda, affect the neurology of the body.
And just if you read his introduction in this book, Vaccine Safety Manual, it’ll be enough for you to be very concerned about the kind of processes that we’re not even thinking about doing as far as just getting our kids vaccinated.
Yuri: Can you just repeat the title of that book? They can get it on Amazon I guess?
Isaac: You can. And a new, updated version just came out in 2011, with all the new, updated research. It’s called the Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners. The author is Neil Miller, and it’s foreworded by Russell Blaylock.
You’ll see Russell Blaylock, the medical doctor and neuroscientist, you’ll see his name there, and then you should also just see a book entitled Vaccine Safety Manual; it’s got a family of five on the front cover.
It’s just a very, very powerful book that gives you pretty much all the pros and the cons. It’s, again, a nonbiased approach, but it just gives you all the information you need so that you can make an informed decision yourself if you’re more of the type of person that wants to do the research on their own.
Yuri: Cool. Just on the CDC site, they list a number of additives that are added to vaccinations. I’m just going to list a couple of them here. Aluminum; antibiotics; egg protein; formaldehyde; monosodium glutamate, MSG; and thimerosal, which is a mercury-containing preservative.
So, it’s interesting when you understand the actions of, for instance, aluminum and its impact on the human nervous system. Formaldehyde, same thing; MSG, same thing; thimerosal, which is essentially mercury.
When you understand how these things impact the human body—maybe not tomorrow but over time—they are very, perhaps very problematic. Unfortunately, the CDC is not going to come out and say these are problematic. They’ll obviously come out with information that says there’s no study that shows blah, blah, blah, blah.
But even within the whole pesticide industry, there’re studies that show even living around vineyards increasing the likelihood of Parkinson’s by twofold simply because of the pesticide residues in the air and how that impacts the human brain and nervous system.
What are your thoughts on these kinds of additives? Are they the big problem with vaccinations, or is it the vaccine itself or is obviously a combination of both?
Isaac: I would say that the bigger problem is most likely the additives and the toxins that they put along with it, like the egg protein, the hydrolyzed proteins, the aborted fetal tissue, the thimerosal, the aluminum. All of these various things, they cause damage to the nervous system. They are what they call excitotoxicities to the brain that cause inflammation and cytokine reactions that can really damage the nervous system.
This isn’t just my opinion; this is well-referenced in the research. A lot of people don’t even understand that these toxins are excitotoxic to the brain; they create an inflammatory response to the brain.
I think it’s definitely something that you want to be concerned with, and Dr. Doris Rapp, she’s a medical doctor and she is an expert in environmental toxicology. She wrote the book Our Toxic World—A Wake-Up Call.
Again, it’s Dr. Doris Rapp, the book titled Our Toxic World—A Wake-Up Call. She goes into the research of specific toxins and how they affect the body and the research around these toxins. For instance, if you just take aluminum as a for instance, one of the theories behind why children develop autism is due to microvascular strokes within the brain.
The reason why you develop microvascular strokes within the brain is because blood cells should essentially not clump together as they flow through the bloodstream. However, when you administer a vaccination or if you’re exposed to, like you said, a pesticide or aluminum or any kind of heavy metals or perhaps eating some very heavy metal-ridden fish or something along those lines, but, primarily, the high levels that you get in a vaccine, what happens is the aluminum, for instance, will bind to the red blood cell.
Now, what that does is, it actually takes away the negative charge of the red blood cell, and if you remember from biology class, opposites attract, sorry, oppose each other. If you’ve got two positive charges, they essentially push each other away; if you’ve got two negative charges, they push each other way.
The blood cells are negatively charged particles that are cells that are never sticking together, but as soon as an aluminum particle sticks to the blood cell, now you’ve got a positively charged aspect of the negatively charged red blood cell that can stick to another blood cell. That’s what they call rouleaux, or the stacking and the clumping together of blood cells within the body, within your circulating bloodstream.
What happens then is it creates, they can circulate fine to the larger arteries; however, once it gets in the arterials, which are smaller arteries, and then even into the capillaries, they get blocked out. When they get blocked out, then they block blood supply and flow of blood to certain tissues.
It’s not like a massive stroke, like you hear about a seventy- or eighty-year-old adult’s, where their whole body goes numb and they develop paralysis; it’s what they call a microvascular stroke, where there’s a small amount of brain tissue that isn’t get blood that becomes essentially malfunctioned. Then it causes decreased incognitive decline and decrease in neurological functionality.
So, that’s one of the theories around why this is causing an issue. And I love, actually, Dr. Mercola has some good interviews on his Web site about the correlation between these toxins and how they cause leaky gut.
One of my friends who’s a Ph.D., Dr. Boyd Haley, from the University of Kentucky, all he studies is mercury. His entire fifty years—he’s seventy years old and he’s been a Ph.D. researching, essentially, mercury and the effects that it has on the body. He sends me articles all the time, and he sent me an article just around a month ago—maybe it was a month and a half ago—and it was about how mercury causes essentially damage to the gut, causes leaky-gut syndrome.
Also leaky-brain syndrome, which is where the mercury can damage the tissues of the brain, causing, or the blood-brain barrier, causing things that you’re exposed to that shouldn’t be exposed to the central nervous system that can now get in to the central nervous system, causing damage to the nerve cells or what they call in the doctor world transneuronal degeneration.
This is a real thing. These toxins are in the vaccinations. They don’t have conclusive double-blind, controlled studies around how these toxins impact children because who is going to fund that? Certainly not the pharmaceutical companies, and smaller companies just don’t have the money to do that unfortunately.
Yuri: It’s funny. I have this PDF that I got off the CDC site. It’s a Q-and-A specifically about aluminum in vaccines, what you should know, and it was put together by the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital at Philadelphia.
I’m going to briefly run off the questions and answers here. They talk about what aluminum is, and the first thing they say is: “Aluminum is the most common metal found in nature.” So, kind of assuming that it’s okay, it’s no big deal.
“Is aluminum in vaccines? Yes, aluminum is present in vaccines that prevent” blah, blah, blah, blah. “Why is it in vaccines? It’s present in certain vaccines to improve the immune response.” I don’t know about that one.
“How much aluminum is in vaccines? During the first six months of life, infants could receive about four milligrams of aluminum from vaccines. That’s not very much.”
Yuri: They essentially go on to keep saying that babies have a very, very efficient elimination system, so that aluminum is readily excreted out of the body.
Isaac: Which I don’t agree with at all.
Yuri: Yeah, exactly, ’cause babies are so efficient, right?
Yuri: So, if they were so efficient, then they wouldn’t need vaccinations in the first place, ’cause their immune health would already be spot-on.
Isaac: Right, exactly.
Yuri: “What happens to aluminum after it happens the body?” As they say: “Most aluminum that enters the body is eliminated quickly. Does aluminum accumulate in the body? Yes, a small amount. Is the amount of aluminum in vaccines safe? Yes. Isn’t it possible that aluminum vaccines can be harmful to some healthy babies? No,” in bold.
“What is the harm in spacing out vaccines containing aluminum? Delaying vaccines will only increase the time during which children are susceptible to catching vaccine-preventable diseases.”
That’s actually pretty scary because what I’m shocked about now in the medical system is how many vaccines and boosters are required nowadays.
Yuri: It’s like you take your kid to the doctor—and we don’t even go to the pediatrician anymore because—well, actually, our pediatrician, she’s a little bit more open-minded; it’s our family doctor who’s very adamant about getting vaccines but it’s crazy. There’s, like, twenty-four vaccinations or boosters within a three- or six-month period.
Isaac: Yeah, yeah.
Yuri: And I’m thinking, that is not normal. It wasn’t like that when I was young. It wasn’t like that a hundred years ago. It’s like we’re sick now because we have a deficiency in vaccines. So, with that said, if we don’t vaccinate, what should parents be doing, what should people be doing in general to prevent them from getting sick, from viruses or bacterial infections?
Isaac: I think that’s a brilliant question because, really, the focus should be on how can we cultivate more health and how can we boost our immune system so that we don’t need to worry about this in the first place? If you look a lot of the vaccines that they require for people to take, I have questions all the time coming at me from all of my patients around the world.
Even when you’re traveling, you’re required to take certain shots. But if you truly look at the types of people and children in particular that actually suffer from these types of viruses and diseases, a lot of them, the majority of these people, of these children are lower-income, from third-world countries that don’t have the kind of advancements in nutrition and technology that we have and we have access to now.
And the rates are extremely low. The rates that, for some vaccines that they’re requiring for adults to take, the viruses are attacking, ninety percent of the time they’re attacking children, and the probability that a child would have an issue with it is 0.001 percent, and I’m not even exaggerating.
Some of these vaccines, they literally have statistics around them as low as that, and that’s why I almost think that the—or I don’t almost think; I know that the payoff is far greater for people to really focus on prevention, on building up their immune systems naturally, and really doing the kind of preventative measures to help with that.
So, the question is: How can I have my child’s immune system boosted, and how can I maximize my child’s immune system so that they don’t get these issues that a lot of other kids get? I would say one of the key kind of basic, I’ll talk on three basic changes that you would want to make for your child, just real basic changes to help boost the immune system function, and then I’ll talk a little bit about immune-boosting super foods that will really help.
I know Yuri’s an expert in this as well, that he can chime in as well. So, the first thing is that you really want to minimize the amount of processed sugar in the diet, because sugar dampens immune system function up over eighty percent. You really want to decrease the consumption of processed sugars and just in general.
Even if you have access to organic sugar, just not to be consuming a whole, copious amount of it. It’s okay to have some organic cookies or various things along those lines—you gotta live a little—but at the same time, you don’t want your child to be consuming a whole heck of a lot of sugar.
And just on that, our ancestors used to consume around fifteen to twenty grams of sugar per day for the last ten thousand-plus years upward to around a hundred years ago. Just recently, over the last twenty years, what we’re seeing is a massive increase in the amount of sugar people are consuming, and the average individual and child right now is consuming ninety-five grams of sugar in North America per day, so that has a massive impact on your immune system.
The number two thing that you really want to swap out is really conventional meats, and the reason why is because conventional meats have a lot of omega-6 fatty acids that cause inflammation in the body, but cows are injected and various conventional animals are injected with growth hormones, antibiotics, and a lot of other toxins that you’re consuming. Essentially, conventional meat shouldn’t even be on your radar for purchasing. It doesn’t even necessarily need to be organic; it’s ideal if it’s organic, but there are still a lot of hormone-free, free-run chicken or meats that are far healthier for your child.
So, swap the meats and decrease the amount of sugar. And just on the sugar thing, stevia’s a great sugar substitute for your kids if you want to put stevia in your shakes or even in some sort of beverage or whatever. Have you heard of Zevia, Yuri?
Yuri: Zevia or stevia?
Isaac: Zevia; it’s like, essentially, a stevia-based soda, so if your child’s addicted to Coca-Cola or Sprite or something along those lines, it’s like a carbonated beverage that tastes almost identical to Coca-Cola or Bark’s Root Beer, and it’s based, actually, with stevia.
If your kid does have an addiction to some sort of soda or he has issues with liquid sugar, it’s a good transition to move to Zevia that you can find now in Canada. They just released it in Canada around a few months ago. I believe it’s in Wal-Mart, as well as Whole Foods. You can get it at Whole Foods for sure.
And then, really, the last shift that you want to make is to change the types of fats that your kid is eating. You want to really focus on healthy fats. You want to move away from more of the processed vegetable oils.
Even canola oil comes from genetically modified rapeseed, which is, again, an oil that really didn’t even exist a hundred years ago. There’s a lot of controversy around it. I would really focus your attention away from vegetable oils, margarine, and conventional butters and stick with, if you do like butter, the organic versions are much better; it’s got a lot of healthy fat in it. But then if you’re going to be cooking with anything, coconut oil, olive oil really helps your immune system function at a high level.
Yuri: That’s awesome. Yeah, it’s really about, everything you just said, kinda boosting, building the immune system internally. And I think the other problem is, I think a lot of kids and adults are up against an epic battle now because of how overly clean our environment is, and the whole gut flora is not what it used to be, so that obviously compromises immunity.
Everything is antibacterial this, antibacterial that, so we’re not even mounting naturally occurring immunity against natural things. It’s a complex issue and it’s unfortunate that we’ve been led to believe that it’s only by using antibiotics or vaccinations that we’re going to stay healthy.
Isaac: Absolutely, absolutely. A lot of people always ask me, “When my kid does come down with the flu or a cold…” which is actually very good for the immune system, it’s really, if your kid has a cold and you dampen the cold or the increase in body temperature with an aspirin or something along those lines, the research shows in the long-term, those children are more susceptible to developing cancer and various other diseases in the future.
I think the reason is because if you let your child run the course of a flu or a cold, in the health world they call that expressing health. Your body’s immune system is actually doing what it needs to do, and if you let it run the course, the amount of time it takes for a child to overcome that issue is roughly that same amount of time that it would take if the child went into the doctor’s office and got a medication anyways.
The benefit would be that your immune system gets a really powerful workout, and it creates long-term immunity for a lot of these various other flu viruses or whatever that may be circulating. So, in my model of the world, I see children that have never been vaccinated, that never get sick anymore because they may have had a few colds, maybe one or two flus early on, and their immune systems are just titanium and they are unbelievably strong. They just look healthy.
You see it all the time, Yuri. It’s like night and day between vaccinated kids and unvaccinated kids in the world that we live in. It’s just really profound.
Yuri: It is. Also, I think I told you about this, with Luca, when he was in his first week of life. We had to hospitalize him because he had a fever, and that’s because he was exposed to Oscar, who was probably sick from school. We had to take him to the ER or the pediatric ward, and we had to keep him under observation.
Unfortunately, they had to give him antibiotics for two days. And then they said that he would need to come back to get a test to see if he had this urinary bacterial thing, and the course of action for that would’ve been six months to two years of antibiotics.
Isaac: Oh my God.
Yuri: And when I heard that, I called the doctor and I literally just gave it to him over the phone. I told him, I’m like, “Listen, what you’re telling me is that this is the only course of action for my child?” And he’s like, “Yes.” I said that’s unacceptable.
I started doing research on this and came up against all this research that basically said the outcome of extended antibiotic treatments versus not doing anything was pretty much the same, so we didn’t do anything, and Luca is unbelievably healthy right now. Obviously, that’s not a vaccination, but it’s very similar in terms of the whole philosophy. There’re countless stories of that; it’s just ridiculous.
Anyways, I want to thank you very much for taking the time, Isaac. What’s the best place for people to get in touch with you? Is that through DesignerHealthCenters.com?
Isaac: Yeah, if you go to DesignerHealthCenters.com, if you were interested in connecting with me and my company, Designer Health Centers, or one of the health experts at Designer Health Centers, we’d love to connect with you. You just need to go to the Contact Us forum and just send in a request to connect and we’ll get you dialed in.
But, essentially, we have an international online health center, and we work with people around the world, helping them address any kind of issue or concern that they’re concerned about.
And if it’s okay, I’d love to give them resources of Web sites for vaccinations as well. The Web site that he was referring to if you do want to connect with me is DesignerHealthCenters.com, the American way, ’cause I know international crowed, British, Canadian, they spell it the right way, which is –res. It’s DesignerHealthCenters.com.
And then I’d love just to get more, if you don’t want to purchase the Vaccine Safety Manual, just to get some more information about the vaccine research, I think it would be good for you to get access to some of these Web sites.
Yuri: Yeah, list them.
Isaac: There’s one called ThinkTwice.com, and that gives some really good information on some updated research around vaccines. There is, it’s www.nvic.org, and that’s the National Vaccine Information Center, and that goes into a lot of really great information, questions that you want to ask yourself if your kids are being vaccinated or questions you want to ask yourself before they get vaccinated. It gives you a lot of resources there.
And, of course, Mercola.com is a good resource as well, but if you want to know about the Gardasil, there’s a Web site called TruthAboutGardasil.org, and you can see the impact that the actual vaccine has had on young women and how there’re over a hundred women that have got that vaccine that have died. They put up this Web site to give people information about vaccines, Gardasil in particular.
Yuri: Crazy stuff. Well, I will definitely make sure that we, those listening, we’ll also list those on the blog so you guys have reference to those, and we’ll direct-link them to the respected sites. Isaac, I want to thank you very much, buddy.
It’s been very enlightening. I’ve learned a lot and I’m sure all of our listeners have as well. Any final words before we end off?
Isaac: Yeah, I think if the lead immunologist at the CDC, if he’s not flu-vaccinating his children, I think that’s enough evidence for me to not do that. And just so you know, I’m not making that up. It’s on my integrity. Everything that I’ve talked to you about comes from my heart.
I just want you guys to get this information and make the best, most-informed decisions as you possibly can. Thanks so much for having me on. I really, really appreciate what you’re doing, Yuri, and I look forward to a continued partnership in getting just incredible health-and-wellness information out to the world with you in the future.
Yuri: Absolutely, buddy. It’s been a pleasure. That’s what it’s all about, right? We’re just going to spread the word and get more and more people empowered to live healthier.
Once again, guys, just full disclosure and disclaimer: This is by no means medical advice. Take what you’ve learned out of this episode, do your own research. I understand that in some cases, you may want to vaccinate.
That’s completely up to you. You live your life, you make your choices. What we tried to do in this episode is provide you with some interesting insights and resources to help you make better decisions, hopefully, with respect to this.
So, there we go. Thank you very much. Thank you, Isaac, and I look forward to seeing you guys in the next episode.
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