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A Look At the Link Between Vending Machine Food and Obesity With Sean Croxton
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Yuri: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of the Super Nutrition Academy Health Class. Today I’ve got my good friend Sean Croxton, the man behind Underground Wellness.
If you’ve been online over the past couple years or on iTunes or on Blog Talk Radio, I’m sure you’ve seen his smiley face with his awesome insights into alternative health, holistic nutrition. He’s got tons of great guests that he’s interviewed and done work with.
What’s cool about Sean is that he and I have very similar views on nutrition. I actually reached out to him a couple years ago. I think it was because of one of your YouTube videos talking about poop. When I saw that I’m like, “This guy’s on the ball.” That was our initial bond I think. I thought it’s been 50 episodes or so too long that I haven’t invited him on to the show, so welcome, buddy.
Sean: Thanks, Yuri. It’s so good to be here.
Yuri: Yeah, absolutely. Before we started you were mentioning—as you know, I’m also bringing newsworthy topics to this podcast and kind of dissecting them, and you brought up two really cool ones that you came across on CNN. Why don’t we look at the first one, the one with snacks and children’s schools and stuff? Maybe kind of give our listeners a bit of background as to what that is.
Sean: Yeah, and like I said earlier when we were off the air, I kind of feel like these stories are kind of cycled every six months or so and kind of made to appear like they’re new, because I feel like I’ve heard these stories before. The USDA, the title of it is “New Federal Rules Require Healthier School Snacks.”
Some of the little bits here are the USDA, the United States Department of Agriculture’s “new Smart Snacks in School nutrition standards represent the first nutritional overhaul of school snacks in more than 30 years…regulations set limits for fat, salt, and sugar sold in places such as vending machines and snack bars. School foods must contain at least 50 percent whole grains or have a fruit,
vegetable, dairy, or protein as the first ingredient. Foods that contain at least one-quarter cup of fruit and/or vegetables will also be allowed.”
Furthermore, “Beverages will be under the microscope as well. Sports drinks that contain relatively high amounts of sugar are prohibited, but the low-calorie versions will be for sale. Low-fat and fat-free milk, 100 percent fruit and vegetable juice, and no-calorie flavored waters are permitted. Potable water must be [made] available to kids for free where meals are served.”
It’s one of those stories where it’s good but then it’s not so good, because considering low-fat and fat-free milk have less calories, but they’re also less nutritious and don’t give people the fats that they need. It’s not even a real food. I always say that God or whoever it was put fat in the milk for a reason.
It kind of concerns me when it talks about no-calorie flavored waters being permitted because that makes me think, hey, they’re taking the sugar out, which is a good thing, but they’re also putting probably aspartame or Splenda or something like that, some type of artificial sweetener, which isn’t good for you, into the beverage. It’s a step in the right direction, in my opinion, because maybe they are making people more aware of their decisions, and at least these federal folks at the USDA are trying maybe. I hate to be the conspiratorial person out there who says everything they do is bad. It is a move in the right direction, but it’s not the best.
At the same time you can’t put an apple in the vending machine; it goes bad. I have friends out there who have food businesses, and they lose a lot of money because food is perishable. It goes bad if people don’t buy it, so from a business standpoint, I get it. But from a nutritional standpoint, it makes me go, “It’s not really that much better. What’s your take?”
Yuri: Yeah, I agree. I think it’s a step in the right direction in the sense that these governing bodies are more aware of the problem that sugar—in some cases, obviously, the fats in processed foods are an issue too—are problematic. But my concern is: They’re not focused on the quality of the food. My concern with the way people see nutrition from those governmental agencies is very quantitative; it’s not qualitative.
They’re thinking about, How many calories does this have? Or how much sugar does this have? Or how much salt or fat does this have? It’s not about, what is the quality of this food to begin with?
If the vending machine is selling Coke and now they’re selling Diet Coke, is that a step in the right direction? I don’t think so. I’m sure there are some dietitians and other people who’d debate that. I think, hopefully, it’s moving things in the right direction. Obviously, hopefully it’ll benefit, even just reducing sugar content in food will benefit kids.
It’s tricky because when I was in school—I don’t know if you guys had this in high school too—we had vending machines that were, the Toronto school board was paid money by Coca-Cola to have vending machines in schools. We’ve all heard of schools having budget cuts and extracurricular activities being cut down because they don’t have enough money. When you run into those problems and then you see Coca-Cola or Pepsi come through and say, “Hey, we’ll give you a million dollars if you put our vending machines in this number of schools,” now you’ve go a dilemma.
Obviously, the utopian scenario would be kids come to school with their own food that’s made from home, that was in their garden. That’s not the reality of the world we live in.
I don’t know, it’s tricky. What do you think would be maybe a complementary strategy or maybe a better alternative to a lot of the vending machines and the cafeteria-type food that we now see?
Sean: I think it would be amazing—I’m not sure how realistic this would be—if there was a school garden. It sounds very utopian and whatnot, but if there was a school garden that got the kids more involved with food production and started to learn what real food actually is, because I know most adults don’t even know what real food is right now, so if we can teach them as young people, that’d be great.
Not that the vending machines are going to change; the vending machines are always going to be the way they are, let’s just be honest. We can have Baked Lays instead of the fried stuff; we can have granola bars instead of candy bars. Again, that is a step in the right direction I guess.
But if we can get kids involved with food production, maybe that’s something that they can kind of take home with them and encourage their parents to be a part of. “Hey, Mom and Dad, we’ve got a yard in the back. Why don’t we try growing some tomatoes or some apples or something like that.”
I think that would be fantastic. Is it realistic? Is it going to happen everywhere? Probably not. So, for me, I think that the best thing that anybody can do when it comes to this is, hey, if you’re a parent out there, start sending your kids to school with a brown bag or whatever it is these days, with actually some real food in it.
Teach your kid, “This is going to make you feel better. This will make you smarter. You’ll be able to study and have more focus,” and all this stuff. But, again, I’m living in the world of utopia when it comes to this answer.
Yuri: And I think the world needs people that are unrealistic, because that’s how change occurs. I completely agree with you on that point of the school gardens. We actually did an episode a couple episodes ago about, there was a piece in the news, and I did some further research into a number of different studies that have looked at, in Canada, at least, there are a lot of schools now in Ontario and B.C., around Vancouver, that are now adopting gardens in the schools, and the kids are getting involved in the growing process.
Our two-and-a-half-year-old, Oscar, his Montessori school, they have a garden as well. One of the cool things that they did in the class was during the winter, they grew…I can’t remember what it was, a tomato plant or a bean or something. They grew it up from a seed, but what they did was put it in a glass container so the kids could see the roots and how they grew into the soil.
I thought that was really cool as opposed to being in an opaque planter. It gave kids a really cool sense of, “Oh, this is actually how it works. These are the roots.” And then they obviously took it and planted it outside in the spring.
But I think stuff like that is definitely not as convenient, obviously, as a vending machine, but I think that’s what needs to happen on a systemic level for kids to take more ownership in how food is produced. The thing is that studies have shown that in schools where we have these gardens—what happens are two things. First of all, kids eat more fruits and vegetables, and then there’s also a link between having the school gardens and the obesity or overweight rates in those schools, which is pretty cool.
Basically, the correlation is that if you’re growing your own food, by nature, you’re simply eating more fruits and vegetables, which means that you’re naturally not eating the other crap, which means that you’re obviously not as heavy as some of the other kids who are eating the other crap. I think that would be obviously incredible. I don’t know.
Logistically, especially if you’re in California. Oh, my goodness. Talk about the land of where to grow stuff. It would be just incredible for more schools to do that.
Sean: Yeah, absolutely. Do you feel like this story’s just been recycled over and over and over again, or is it just me?
Yuri: I don’t know. I think all these health stories are recycled over and over again. There are new spins on them. Even a lot of the scientific studies. Do we really need more scientific studies showing that sugar is the cause of diabetes? And then it’s on the six o’clock news. Like, really? Don’t we know that already.
Yuri: Yeah, I definitely think there’s a lot of this stuff that’s recycled. One of the cool things that we talked about in one of the previous episodes with respect to kids—and this kind of ties in with this discussion too—they looked at kids’ nutrition, and they wanted to see whether, what the kids ate and how the kids ate affected their cholesterol levels.
They looked at a thousand kids between the ages of three and five years old, and they found that what they ate had very little impact on LDL cholesterol. What they found, though—and this blew my mind—was that how the kids ate negatively affected their LDL.
By that, they looked at were kids eating in front of the TV? Were they eating with an iPad or an iPhone in front of them? Were they stressed out? Were they distracted? And if those scenarios were present, they correlated with a higher level of LDL, which I found was fascinating.
We’ve been telling, I mean, even adults, eat your food in a more mindful environment. Don’t eat in front of the TV; take your time with your food; be present with your food. But now science, at the ages of three and five years old, is showing that this stuff is affecting our blood cholesterol, which is crazy. I thought it was really fascinating.
Sean: So, the actual activity of what they’re doing while they’re eating affects their cholesterol?
Yuri: Yeah. I don’t know how they were able to separate the variables, but those were the findings. I found that really astonishing.
Sean: Yeah, that’s pretty fascinating. I wonder what the mechanism for that is. What’s causing those changes in their blood chemistry? That’s pretty trippy, man. I didn’t hear about that one.
We need a media report about that one, you know what I mean? Can we get that on CNN, please?
Yuri: Honestly, honestly. That was just incredible stuff. Okay, so moving on with the kid stuff. Obviously, if kids are eating more fast food, if they’re eating the stuff in the vending machines, the chances of them becoming overweight and obese becomes a problem.
You brought up a second story that you came across before we started the interview here with respect to—and this has obviously been big news as of late—obesity is now being defined as a disease. Maybe you can elaborate on that.
Sean: The American Medical Association. This is from CNN. It’s called “Physicians Group Labels Obesity a Disease.” “The American Medical Association has adopted a new policy that officially labels obesity as a disease ‘requiring a range of medical interventions to advance obesity treatment and prevention,’ according to an AMA statement.”
Again, something that I feel like I’ve heard before. However, I’m on the fence about this one, similar to the previous story that we talked about. I like it because it will allow people to be insured; insurance will cover some of the things that they’re trying to do to overcome their obesity, possibly such as hire a trainer, get a nutritionist, get a functional diagnostic nutritionist like myself.
When I was working with clients, medical insurance would seldom, if ever, cover my services. That’s the good—
Yuri: They’ll actually help them.
Sean: Seriously, it’s a trip. So, that’s the good part of it. The not-so-good part of it is that I feel like most medical doctors—not all, but most medical doctors—are not properly equipped to deal with diabetes. We can just start with number one; it’s just nutrition.
Medical doctors don’t know anything about nutrition. And if this were to go in effect and they had to start to treat their patients nutritionally for obesity stuff, then I don’t think that that doctor’s actually going to enroll him or herself in a nutrition course to learn about this stuff. I just don’t personally see that happening.
On top of that, most medical doctors don’t take a functional approach to medicine. They don’t look at how all of the pieces connect. They don’t look at how your digestion affects your toxicity level, which affects your metabolism, which affects your obesity.
They don’t look at things that way; they just kind of hone in on the obesity, and they just consider it a calories-in, calories-out problem, which, you know, most of us know that, hey, calories are important, but there are so many other pieces to that puzzle that aren’t addressed when you just simply tell somebody to eat less and exercise more. I just want to make sure that people are getting the proper treatment for the obesity that they have.
And not just that. I want to make sure that they get the proper treatment psychologically, because for a lot of people, obesity is a mind-set issue or some type of behavioral issue that I think they may need some help with.
So, if they can get that stuff covered by insurance and it’s effective and it works well and they’re being treated by somebody who knows their stuff, I’m all for it. If not, then I’m kind of against it.
Yuri: Yeah. See, my question is: Why now? What’s the difference, why does obesity have to be defined as a disease?
It’s almost like with the DSM for psychological problems, that encyclopedia of disorders that they’ve classified. It almost seems like they come up with new disorders. Like gambling addiction is a new one apparently. It seems like the more names they give a problem, the more doors that opens for pharmaceutical companies to come out with “treatments” for those problems.
My concern is that now they’re saying that this is now officially a disease, and now companies like these pharmaceutical companies have free reign to come out with all sorts of medications that will help people lose weight or do whatever. I don’t know if that’s going to happen. It’s in the back of my mind.
What’s the benefit here? I think people already know that they’re fat, that we’re out of shape, that we’re kind of far gone. I would really, it would be amazing if the government, at whatever level, decided that they were going to take care of things like personal training or consulting with a nutritionist.
I remember when I was personal training. This was a discussion that came up time and time again. I think it was from an insurance perspective, the discussion. Again, this is almost 12 years ago now that I remember talking about this with a lot of people in our gym, because there was discussion about can we get this covered, can we get people’s training sessions covered or at least part of it.
It was a back-and-forth with whatever government or insurance board we were talking with. It was just shot down. I don’t understand why they won’t cover stuff like that, because that is the stuff that is going to make the difference, right?
Yuri: If somebody can’t hire a personal trainer because of financial reasons, that’s a huge limitation to them being able to stay physically active, because we know they’re always going to get better results with a trainer, they’re going to have that accountability.
It boggles my mind that that kind of stuff would not be covered, and I really hope it is. I hope with a new kind of classification of this being a disease that it is.
Sean: And compared to the price of medications and frequent doctor visits, although personal training is not cheap, it’s relatively cheap when you consider the alternative.
Yuri: Oh yeah.
Sean: Yeah. It doesn’t make sense how insurance won’t cover that, but that’s a whole other issue.
Yuri: Yeah, it’s an interesting topic of discussion. I don’t know how that’s going to affect things here in Canada versus in the U.S. because, obviously, you guys are a little bit more far gone than I think we are up here.
What is your state, you live in sunny California. Obviously, it’s an area where more people are active. What is the environment like where you are?
Are people generally more health-consciously maybe versus different states? What is the mind-set, the tone, I don’t know, the forecast that people have with respect to this kind of stuff?
Sean: Well, I would say in my specific area, living in San Diego, people are generally fitness-minded because of the weather out here. It’s outdoor weather most of the year, especially this time of year. It’s beach weather, so people are pretty much in the gym year round.
We’re a very physical bunch around here, especially in downtown San Diego. It’s just like a lot of good-looking people who are just really fit. I can’t speak for the rest of the state.
Northern California, the San Francisco Bay Area, I frequent that area because my mom lives up there. They’re very dialed in with food. There are so many awesome real-food restaurants to go to in northern California, it’s ridiculous.
So, the food is right up there. I’m going to say that the fitness is not quite on par with what it’s like in San Diego.
Yuri: Too many hills.
Sean: Yeah, and it’s also the weather. People kind of bundle up in the winter; they don’t exercise as much up there because it’s pretty cold.
Again, out here in San Diego, we are very fitness-minded. Not as food-minded out here; you can’t find as many good, healthy, real-food restaurants in San Diego as you can in the Bay Area, which is kind of odd. But we do take care of our bodies for the most part here.
However, I was at the San Diego fair on Sunday, and I was with my friend. I was like, “Are you looking around right now? There are a lot of obese people out here.” Maybe it was just something that stood out to me because we were in that part of the fair where they serve the deep-fried Twinkies and Spam and things like that, maybe it just all kind of connected.
But in San Diego, in the area that I’m at, people are really fit. But maybe in the outskirts and some of the surrounding areas, it’s not the case, but I really don’t frequent those areas so much. I’m kind of a homebody, to be honest. I kind of stay in my ’hood.
Yuri: Yeah, it’s definitely interesting. It’s something I noticed now that we moved out of Toronto. We live in a smaller town.
You definitely notice more—it’s actually ironic because living in a small town, you think historically, real food came from the country, so you’d think that living in a city, it’d be a little bit more processed, a little more urbanized and you kind of go to the country for more real food and that kind of stuff.
But it’s funny because the farther you move away out of these metropolises in North America, the fewer options you have in terms of healthy food. It seems like whenever you go out into a small city or a small town, it’s all these fast-food joints and very, very, very few options for healthy eating.
In our town we’re lucky that we have a farmers’ market once a week, we have one or two restaurants that are a bit more health-conscious, we have a decent butcher, but other than that the quality of health here, just seeing people, the amount of smoking that goes on, drinking.
The biggest attraction in our town is the liquor store. That’s literally kind of the sense of things here. But, again, there is a segment that’s a lot more health-conscious. But living in Toronto, it’s very different. If you live in the right areas, people are definitely more health-conscious, they’re more active, there’s obviously more access to better restaurants, healthier foods.
I just find that it’s just such a weird anomaly. We have so much amazing land to grow stuff on, and all that food is being sent into the city, whereas we’re kind of depending on Wendy’s and these different fast-food restaurants out here. It’s really weird.
Sean: Is there the option of connecting with some of the people out there, the farmers that grow food in those areas, and getting food from them directly? That way you don’t have to rely upon some of these fast-food places.
Yuri: Yeah, yeah, there is. But, again, just going to the grocery store, and if you look at what people are putting on the conveyor belt, it’s actually pretty scary. I was actually thinking of starting a photo blog of taking a picture of the food they put on the conveyor belt at the grocery store and then taking a picture of people’s recycling bins on recycling day.
Just going for walks around town—this is actually really interesting for anyone to do—you can tell a lot by what people put in the recycling bin. If you just see bottles and bottles and bottles of Coke or alcohol containers, it kind of gives you a good reflection of what’s happening there.
There are definitely co-op programs like that, and a lot of the organic farmers around here are doing more of that stuff. My goal is, I really want to get that awareness to the people who need it the most, right?
Yuri: Which is tough.
Sean: Yeah, it is very tough. And people actually have to make that decision to put forward that effort in order to get the right foods when they don’t have a lot of access to it.
What I like to do, I very seldom shop at regular supermarkets, but if I find myself there, usually, I can look in somebody’s cart even before looking at them and kind of know what their body is going to look like by just the foods that are in there, because it’s usually processed this, processed that, low-fat this, nonfat yogurt, on and on, and then there’s all this other processed stuff in there. You just kind of know what they look like.
I can shop at farmers’ markets, and there’re healthier people there, it seems. I shop at Whole Foods as well. When you go to Whole Foods, not that I’m the hugest advocate of Whole Foods, because there are issues there as well. It’s just a much healthier consumer due to the foods that they buy.
It always goes back to the foods that you eat. You are kinda what you eat. You are what you digest as well and all that stuff, if you want me to get technical. You are what you eat, so you’ve got to make the right decisions.
If it’s important enough to you and you really care about your health, you will take that extra step if you live in one of these areas that doesn’t have the amount of access that we do in the cities to get what you need.
Yuri: I don’t know if it was Tony Robbins who once said “Success leaves clues.” You could say that with obesity or unhealthiness. If you think of a clue being looking at somebody’s grocery cart, you can look at somebody’s grocery cart and say, “Wow, that’s actually very impressive.” In that case success would leave the clue, the clue being, obviously, the good foods in the grocery cart.
On the flipside, as you just mentioned, if somebody is completely unhealthy and overweight, there’re going to be clues that will point directly back to that grocery cart that that person has. They might have tons of boxed or packaged foods and all sorts of crap. It’s interesting.
Yuri: Hopefully, one day at a time, we can make a positive change.
Sean: That’s what we’re trying to do, buddy. That’s what we’re doing.
Yuri: That’s what it’s all about. So, what are you working on now? What’s new and exciting that our listeners can take part in in your world?
Sean: Well, I’m in my third week of vacation right now, just been kind of hanging out. Not really doing anything much work-related, just reading books. I actually read a book the other day called The Day My Brain Exploded, about this guy, it’s actually a really good book.
People send me books all the time because of the radio show, and this one’s kind of like a novel, so I kind of put it aside. I was like, “Let me read it this week,” so I read it. It was such a good book about this guy, he was doing something that I probably can’t mention over the air; you might be able to imagine.
And when he was finished, his brain exploded. He had something, it’s called an AVM; I can’t remember what it stands for, but the arteries and veins in the brain on a little select spot are all tangled together, and at some pint in that person’s life—it’s a congenital thing, so they’re born with it—at some point in that person’s life, they don’t even know it’s going on, but it burst.
It’s about his journey to recovery. It’s actually a really good and really funny book, so I highly recommend that to people.
I’m reading a book right now, I just started, about this lady’s journey through Alzheimer’s. It’s not totally health-related, kind of a novelist type of book, so I’ve been reading that stuff. Just kind of just chillin’, man.
I feel like Underground Wellness has really changed, maybe a little bit too much. You and I have talked about dilution of brands and stuff like that. I really want to get back to the old school, what made Underground Wellness popular and had raving fans and whatnot.
That’s like getting back to the food and the health stuff and sticking it to the man and educating people in a way they can understand about what they should eat and how they should take care of their bodies and wipe out some of this extracurricular stuff that I’ve been talking about over the last year or so and just really dialing it in. I’m about to go pretty buckwild with content, blogs, podcasts, and get back to what made this thing popular, which is doing a lot of YouTube videos and just being the voice for this segment of people who really want change in the food industry.
The other day was a wakeup call. I was on this top 15 list of people who are looking for change, trying to create change in the American food industry. Ti was Michelle Obama and Michael Bloomberg and Joel Salatin and Robb Wolf, and I was on that list. I was like, this is great but I don’t feel like I really deserve that, because over the last year and a half, I’ve really gotten away from that.
I was like, if I can make a list like that doing what I’m doing now, imagine what would happen if I really, really committed myself to it. That’s the plan next Monday, when I get done with vacation, just to go buckwild and really tackle this thing and put 110 percent of my effort into it.
Yuri: That’s awesome. One of the things I love about the way you run your business is that you mandate vacations like this.
Yuri: I don’t know many other people who take three, four weeks off. You’ll do a summit and then you’re like, “I’m gone for six weeks or four weeks,” or whatever it is, which is awesome. I think there’re a lot of lessons to be learned from that because you come back from that, you’re fresher, you’ve got new perspective, you have time to reflect and kind of jus totally disconnect. Obviously if you don’t own your own business and you’re working nine to five in a job, it’s a little bit tough to do that, but I think there’re some really valuable lessons.
For you, why is it that you feel you need to take that time off? What does it give to you as you kind of come back into the thick of things afterward? What does that do for you?
Sean: It allows me to refocus. It also just really allows me to recharge my batteries. Those summits take a lot of out me; like, a lot.
This summit, the Sexy-Back Summit, the most recent one we did, was literally three weeks of go, go, go, go, go, go. That was after three months, let’s just say, of actually putting it together and dealing with that thing. Running that thing just drains my batteries. I’m running on adrenalin the whole time.
I probably did some things that I shouldn’t have done, like being in Vegas for a week while I was running it and having friends come in and doing stuff like that. I was just doing too much. I remember the day after it ended, I was feeling amazing, like, “Yeah, we did it!”
But the day after, there were about two or three days there where I was like, “Yo, I honestly feel like I have a bad case of exhaustion.” You know when celebrities and stuff will cancel concerts and be like, “Yo, I’ve got exhaustion”? You’re like, “What?!” I honestly felt that way. Not that I’m a celebrity or anything.
I just did not want to get out of bed; I just wanted to just lie there and recharge. I’m all about listening to your body. When your body says “Hey, shut it down,” I think it’s a really good idea to shut it down.
Like you said, not everybody can do that. You and I, we run our own businesses. I have an assistant who will kind of take up the slack for me with e-mails and customer service and all that stuff, so I’m very fortunate to have her here.
Every time I return after my vacations, I feel just so pumped and ready and focused and just ready to take over the world. I’ll crank it out hard for a good six months, and then I’ll probably take a couple weeks off and then come back strong again.
Todd Durkin taught me something a long time ago. He color codes—Todd Durkin, fitness trainer—he taught me about color coding the calendar. I don’t personally do this, but I always keep it in my, it’s green machine.
Green machine is when it’s go. You go, go, go; you’re making money; you’re helping people. Yellow is when you slow things down, just kind of scale back a little bit. It’s almost like training. You can’t just keep beating yourself up week in and week out; you need those kind of slower weeks where you recover a bit. Yellow is when you slow it down a bit.
And red is when you stop. I decided, hey, it’s time to stop, recover, recharge, and then come back stronger next time. That’s it. Hopefully it encourages other people to do something similar if you can to chill out, relax, and take a break. You’ll feel a lot better.
I know a lot of people—I hate to go on and on—I know a lot of people who don’t take a break. I just kinda see what happens to their health and to their lives and to their relationships when they’re always go, go, go, go, going; always about business but never really balancing their lives out. Honestly, I just don’t want that to happen to me ever in my life.
Yuri: That’s great, man. If you don’t take a break, you will break eventually.
Sean: Yes, yes.
Yuri: That’s awesome and I’m happy that you’re doing that. All right, buddy. I want to thank you very much for joining us. We had some really good discussion. For everyone who’s listening, you can check out Sean’s workings at UndergroundWelnnes.com. That’s probably the best place, right, buddy?
Sean: Yeah, that’s where everything’s at, yeah.
Yuri: The hub. Yeah, he’s got tons of amazing stuff on YouTube; he’s got a podcast on iTunes; just tons of great stuff. And, obviously, as he mentioned, he’ll be back in content-machine mode very shortly.
Thank you very much for joining us, Sean; it’s been a pleasure. And for everyone listening, check out UndergroundWellness.com. If you’ve got any questions or comments or feedback or anything like that for Sean, you can always leave them on the blog over at SuperNutritionAcademy.com/blog.
Until then, I look forward to seeing you guys in the next episode.
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